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You should update that supposed release date to 2023 ;-)

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yeeeeah, 2022 is running out of days!

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please help, Ive been trying everything I can think of the get out of the spot where you first get scanner but Im just stuck in that room! I cant jump high enough to get out, help?!?

Edit: stupid fucking secret tunnel.

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Note to self: I should probably make the secret tunnel more obvious.

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Ok, this game is amazing, wow, good job!

Spent in it around 2 and a half hours so far, finished with... emm... unexpectedly high %, but still sure i didn't do everything i could've done. Left few small places unexplored. Highly recommend.


*spoilers below, idk how to do that fancy blue on blue text :p*

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Ok, i think i found new bug, since i didn't see anyone here mention it. If you jump on top of a top Kaakana in 3.5, and activate scan, you can phase through walls while getting carried away. Pretty neat, didn't have to learn a double jump (never was able to do that either). Easy way out of bounds. 

I decided to try the game out, because i remembered Beyond Good & Evil, photographing some monsters and fantastical creatures, and loved the idea. But the out of bounds, meta jokes, easter eggs and, well, so much more content than expected, it's just amazing. Hope the full version will be as full of surprises.

Keep up the good work, borb ;)

Thanks for the commentary! You bet there will be TONS of surprises to be found...!

The phase-thru-walls thing, although originally a bug, is an intended feature at this point :D 

(PS. You can do the fancy blue text by setting Format to Heading 1.)

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This has come together so nicely over the months! 


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I love how the double-jump can be used to find 'secret' areas. It really captures that sense of mystery. Looking for a mushroom cap that lights up at the perfect frame to assist in this. It's out there somewhere! 


I *think* that one of the butterflies flew off to another screen and got lost somewhere in the world. Hopefully I can track them down or they respawn in the original screen but I need to test this more. 


I may try to decode the rune language to see what they say :D maybe the runes are just translations of the area names? 


Only downside of the demo is accidently falling into a screen of no-return where the demo ends and having to load a save. 


Favorite tune so far is when scanning the comet. So ominous! 

Thanks for continuous support! :D

I should probably make an explanation blogpost of the runes. 🤔

Spoilery responses:

TBH, I've removed the frame-perfect double jump from the upcoming full game (demo still has it!), it was a bit too easy to find accidentally (someone even thought it's a mandatory technique for progressing!), and it also made speedrunning infuriatingly difficult. So it gotta go!

PS. At the moment, the only way to get the butterflies back is to load a save.

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Secret preview of the canyon at the boss bottom left

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This game is great! Congratulations!

thanks!! Making it greater every day!

Hi, can anyone please give me a hint how to get to 2.6 if it's possible? From 2.5 I can't get to the right (too high jump). I managed to get to the narrow horizontal tunnel in 3.5 (the one that the topmost bird flies through) and throug it to 3.6, but there seems to be no way to ride that bird to jump up from 3.6 to 2.6.

You need to use the hidden frame-perfect double jump for getting to 2.6!

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I found another way (although a little complicated) through the secret passage under the bear with the tall bouncy flowers

hehee, nice!

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There's so many good things in this.. So unique, I remembered it after 2 years back, when I played it for 15 min. And now again I must quit after 15 min, because controls are really unpleasant (sliding!, speed), music is broken (? all glitchy and harsh) and graphics are just a little too unclear... It needs some polish... but very interesting!

Please just open Celeste and copy the physics! And graphical clearness.

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I just opened Celeste and copied the physics (forgot to paste them, though). 

I also added graphical clearness (wiped my monitor with a screen cleaner) 

Ok.  Is there a practice ROM for double jumps? I think that is where this is at now.  I am pretty sure I have to either triple jump with quick retries (is that possible?) or hit either of two double jumps with long walks back and my success rate on double jumps right now feels like it is <0.7%. I really have no idea what I'm doing, I just hit "jump, wait till peak, scan, wait a miniscule amount, scan, wait a miniscule amount half as big as the last one, jump" and hope it works, and sometimes it does. 

But it's too rare for me to do outside of a standing jump right now, and the only places accessible with a standing multi-jump that are inaccessible otherwise (to me right now) would need back-to-back double jumps (either 2 or like a million to climb up the waterfall chute in 2.8/3.8) and if I'm right about 0.7% then at 1 attempt per 4 seconds it will take around 16 straight hours for me to have a 50% chance of success and that sounds like practice ROM training time would be a better idea to me.

Okay, for future people, here's what I've figured out:

To double jump, start a scan at the height of your jump.  Then, whenever you want, hit jump BEFORE ending your scan.  You want to end your scan something like 1 or two frames after you hit jump. You don't actually need to push jump after you end the scan, just before it.  As far as I can tell, you are limited to 1 double jump per jump (i.e. no triple jumps) but idk for sure yet.

i've come to the conclusion that making the double jump is way to finicky so it will remain a demo feature - it won't be possible in the full game. i think it makes speedrunning the game more accessible when it's not dependent on frame-perfect input...

That's fair.  It was pretty cool to figure out, though, even if I never got good enough to triple jump.

Man, I am stumped on getting to Mt. Sus.  I finally found the invisible blocks in the sky (2.1). after trying to double-jump off the bear in 3.1 to reach 3.2 and, alternately, trying to triple jump without success in the small chute under the clouds in 2.7 in for several hours.  The blocks just lead back to the party house (2.2), though, and although we are on the previously-inaccessible roof there is nothing new to scan and we are prevented from jumping to what would presumably be 1.2 by something on the other side of the screen transition.  We also can't jump through the one-tile gap at the top-right of 2.1 to reach 1.1 :/  I've been trying to jump off the last invisible block in 2.1 so that I just barely clear the stairs down to 3.1 and then correct right to avoid landing on that little dirt lip at the top left in order to preserve bounce height so I could bounce all the way to the top left of the screen and land on that ledge, but 1) it's really hard, especially since the stuff you are jumping off of and around is invisible and 2) I *think* but cannot be sure because there are invisible blocks that there may actually be a max height that flowers launch you no matter how high you were beforehand and the whole plan is impossible.


Anyone know how to get up there?  I've got a lot of clouds left to scan ;)

1.1 and 1.2 happen to be where the current end-game softlock is so that blocked-off screen transition makes a little more sense now ^^; still can't get to Mt. Sus :(

Spoilers for getting to Mt. Sus:

you can get to Mt. Sus from the in-bounds tutorial area!

A hint:

 there's a secret path in the first Kaakana room.

Thanks so much for your reply!  I accidentally deleted my savefile, though, or maybe the update made it incompatible, but it shouldn't take too long to rescan the stuff I know how to reach.  

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aren't useful for getting to the main body of the mountain (i.e. where all the clouds are, and the top of the waterfall you see when double jumping up from 3.8).  That said, the party house redesign seems to have

added an exit that makes double jumping off the bear unnecessary, so  we will se where that giant new area leads, maybe there's a way up from there.I will see where that goes

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I really enjoyed the demo and am looking forward to seeing the whole game. The boss battle was hard, but it was doable once I figured out what to do. I really like the implementation of the scanning gun and the sorts of things you can do with it in the game. I think there's a lot of opportunity for fun puzzles there that I haven't really seen in the demo, especially surrounding the jump+scan combo. I expect they'll be in the final version and I'm really excited to see it

Nice to hear you liked my little game! I already made the boss a bit easier by dropping out the fourth form (new demo update out today!), and I'm working hard on the final version....!

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I somehow managed to get the green bouncy mushroom stuck to my head! It's the one you need the fish to reach... I bounced around on it until it went back together. I thought it was a glitch until I got the red bouncy mushroom to do the same thing! It's the one on the screen above the first set of birds. But that mushroom never came off! Also, are you meant to be able to get 100% in the demo? I can't reach the stone tablet thing near the two large snails and the comet for instance. And, I managed to scan only two butterflies. I love the game and can't wait to play more! :)

Yes, you can get 100% in the demo! 

Yeah the mushroom hat is not a glitch. (And tbh most ACTUAL glitches are pretty much intentional at this point.)

Oh, the stone tablet. Some EMUUROM could be of help for reaching the lookout tower from below....

Keep on scanning! More coming later this year. :D And thanks for the comment, your kind worlds made me feel all warm and fuzzy inside :]

glitched through the wall and into the boss area; proceeded to fail a lot because the controls kept either a. eating jump inputs or b. refusing to stop the character when I released a key. Seems like a cool game, but needs a lot of polish.

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thanks for the critique!

a) haven't noticed inputs getting eaten myself. what controller did you use (or maybe a wireless keyboard?)

b) if that happened on air, it's intentional, i like to preserve the character's momentum. i could finetune the on-ground friction a bit, though 🤔

some polish underway, i'll try to do my best! :D

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a) I think it might not have been eating inputs necessarily, but my computer sometimes gets a significant amount of desync between pushing a button and the game actually receiving it. have you implemented e.g. coyote time and jump buffering? those might both help the situation.

b) The issue was mostly releasing the button after landing on a bird and then sliding off anyways. Perhaps platforms could have increased friction close to the edge, if you're not trying to move in a direction? Alternatively, if momentum is always preserved in air, that definitely needs a tutorial, since it is nonstandard to platformers. Had I known that were the case, I would have released the keys midair and this would probably have been less of an issue.

Hope this helps!

Thanks for the reply, this helps immensely!

a) I've implemented coyote time (and most likely can't make it any longer because it would make some unreachable-intended platforms reachable!). I could definitely add jump buffering, tho! It's a good idea, I'll add it to the issue tracker ✌

b) Yeah moving platforms can be quite... tricky. To mitigate platforming frustration, I actually just yesterday made friction on moving platforms higher, I'll let you know when the update is live!And about the momentum-preservation: it IS mentioned in-game.... but only after acquiring the scanner. Maybe not ideal, I reckon? Then again, I try to keep the before-scanner section of the game silent, so it can be a bit hard to teach momentum-preservation at the point when the player first arrives in the bird room....

Cheers!

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Really excited to see where this goes from here, the new boss fight feels like a good capstone to all the things you've learned at the end and I really hope this gets out in time for 2022! Here's hoping :)

thanks, nice to hear the boss works :> i'm working hard to make 2022 release happen...!

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FINALLY I was able to play the game demo on a computer, I wanted to praise the collision system, so perfect!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Oh, that's definitely something I haven't heard before. :D thanks!

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Made a video

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thanks for trying out the game! it was a fun play session to watch!

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Happy you enjoyed the video and hope your able to finally release the full version this year

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can you make it suitable for mobile? i cannot process the game cause im on mobile T-T

sorry, TIC-80 doesn't support (yet...?) exporting to mobile platforms... You can try to play the browser version with a bluetooth controller on mobile, but I can't promise anything about how well the game runs.  

Actually, Tic-80 does support Android: but it can only run .tic & png cartridges in the free edition.

It handles input easily by an built-in virtual gamepad & touchscreen (both used in a tic-80 nonogram; ROWBYROW !).

So it's worth a demo, maybe...

(However ios users may only play it via an html export, as there's no Tic-80 app for their OS.

Also Love2D needs a Mac to install the app for ios)

But there's an another problem: character limit.

.tic cartridges have a limit, and Emuurom has ~%600 code over the limit.

There may be a solution, just I have little experience with Tic-80.

Actually, I found an older, .tic version at tic80.com!

The answer now is: yes, it's playable on mobile! (android)

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You can actually play bigger .tic files with TIC-80 as well. I uploaded the .tic file of 0.4.1.0 here, so you can use it for playing the game on mobile. Transferring the file to mobile TIC-80 app can be a bit tricky I guess, and the game wasn't really created with mobile in mind, but at least it's now available as an option!

Cheers!

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This is a brilliant game, it has a peaceful yet challenging feel which is hard to pull off, a simple yet soothing art style and it scratches the itch of the collector within me, at least it did until i got to the bird boss.


I have never wanted to throw my computer at a wall as much as i have when i faced his boss. At first, it was enjoyable and a clever idea, but when stage two came, it just slowly built up my anger. The jumps need to be perfect, as you have to line up on the birds to even reach, but you can't forget to let go of the buttons once you land otherwise you waltz on off the birds and have to restart. And once you get to the top, there's a non zero chance you can't even move to stage three, because you keep the momentum of the birds and crash right into the wall, which keeps you from scanning the boss. As for stage three, i actually don't have any idea how to beat it, maybe there's some technique i'm missing but i have no clue. I just gave up after a while since i don't think i'd be able to calm down and enjoy what came after the boss even when i beat it.


It's a fucking marvelous game apart from this boss, and i might just be godawful at games for not getting past it, i don't know. It's a shame i couldn't enjoy the game to it's fullest. Still, what you've made is great.

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Thanks for the insightful critique. I feel like I shouldn't take this lightly, especially as I see how much the boss killed your enthusiasm.

So I certainly need to rebalance the boss. I think most of the work I have to do is managing expectations - stage three is actually quite easy mechanically after you figure out what you gotta do (hint at the end of the message). But as the first two phases are purely about mechanical execution, you'd reasonably expect the third one would be, too.... [EDIT: I actually went and made the stages mechanically easier as well with a few level design changes. Should be MUCH less frustrating now]

So I guess this was a fair warning to me - I should always playtest a new feature with new players, instead of just those who already mastered the mechanics. :D cheers!

hint: 

the bottom one is not the only bird that can be scanned to start the sequence.

ok the boss is now updated, hopefully it's less frustrating now. try it out! :]

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I tried out the boss again, and god, it feels way more in my hands. When i fell off i didn't get upset that i misunderstood the physics, but rather felt like it was a fair challenge. You definitively succeeded here.

Phew, I'm SO relieved to hear that! Once again, thanks for your critique, it really pushed me to make it a much fairer first boss. Cheers!

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How do you skip the intro cutscene? That's way too long.

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hold down Z (or on controller: A). good point, i could make the skip button a bit easier to notice.

EDIT: skipping the intro is now easier!

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Wowza I am impressed I want more of this game it's so cool and so interesting and it's literally for the people who go into the journal feature of creatures in games and just spend hours there...really cool atmosphere too.

thanksss!!! <3<3<3 your line about the journal feature is so good i might end up using it when advertising the game lol

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went and did it

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This was a really fun demo and I am super excited to see more! I love how densely packed the maps are while still lending themselves to figuring out how to traverse them as a main goal. I especially like how each of the animals has their own sound effects, and the idea of using the animals to help traverse the environment is really engaging

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thanks for the comment and the follow! <3 the densely packed maps are very time-consuming to make, glad you like them :] 

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Very cool, I'd love to see a full version of this! It reminds me of some of Nifflas's games. I loved the nonviolent mechanics and the sense of exploration, curiosity, and discovery. I was also intrigued by the hints of deeper story elements in the intro.

One critique, the platforming mechanics were occasionally a bit frustrating. In particular the vertical jump height is quite short but the horizontal distance is very long, which makes it easy to overshoot your target. Also things could get pretty fast-paced with the moving creatures, especially with the scanner thrown into the mix.  Maybe you could tweak the physics so it's a little calmer.

Thanks for feedback! Always appreciate comparison to Nifflas, Knytt Stories was a big inspiration ^^

It's good to know about your frustrations, too. I admit, changing the platforming dynamics sounds a bit daunting this late to development, as it could have many ripple effects to level design. One thing I could consider, however, is to add a "game speed" option, where you could make everything a bit slower to fit your tastes.

Now only to, uh, try implementing it.... :D

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This is a really good game, I found it really fun exploring the world. I also really like it when demos have more to them when you dig deeper instead of going straight for the finish, having an almost completely new world outside the bounds of the normal demo only accessible by this little glitch with the scanner (I wonder if you found the bug while playtesting and decided to add an entire secret level behind that bug)

It did get a bit annoying at points trying to get to certain places but that's just the nature of this sort of thing. I think I managed to rack up a completion rate of 158% but I know I missed alot, including that '?' room and 2 of the Ilivesilives cats.

I'll look forward to the full release and what it has to offer!

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Thanks! It's always nice to hear when someone has found their way to out-of-bounds areas in the demo. :D Thanks for the comments, I'm working hard on the full version literally right now :]

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I really enjoyed the exploration and scanner mechanic. Looking forward playing the rest of the game. Oh, I found the "phonetical aid" such a great gimmick, one of those details letting me know how much love and enthusiasm you are putting into this project. Great music too. Thank you very much! <3 

Thanks for the kind words! Yeah, I thought it's better to communicate in some way how these obscure Eastern Finnish creature names should be pronounced. :D

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good game. after discovering more and more, I am wondering if you can actually fill the whole pokedex thing or if certain stuff really is unfindable yet :-)

^^ If I recall correctly, you can't fill the Emuudex in the demo. But there sure is more to be found beyond the tutorial area, as Dzar's recent comment hints ;>

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Damn, I wanted to see more! :O

looking forward to the full game.

It might be obvious but one cant scan the butterfly, right?

i scanned the butterfly successfully and it has a description and everything. But then it vanished.

yeah, you can actually scan the butterflies.
their htibox though is only as big aas a single block, they fly almost the whole time inside walls so its hard to scan. they seem to appear and not appear at random, so I never know when one appears or disappears.
they dont seem to linger long in an area, anyways, going away quickly after being seen.

Hint: If the butterfly disappears before you manage to scan it, you can load the game to try again. :p

after jumping unknowingly into the "to be continued" room, i decided to reset so i could continue exploring, but the title screen says, "Data incompatible. Please delete save." Is this possibly because i reset without letting the credits finish? This killed my motivation to keep playing for now, since i don't want to repeat stuff i just did, though i do plan to play through once the full version is released.

I love that it's non-violent, and i loved the exploration, puzzles, scanning, and the music. I didn't like the difficulty of a few of the jumps, but i still found them doable. Thank you for making such a lovely little game! :)

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thanks for the report, i gotta investigate what's going on. That message should only appear when I've updated the save format, and this isn't obviously the case here. The credits reset isn't to blame either, the game only saves when you touch the Salavia flower. I suspect the data is actually fine. If you can, it would help debugging if you sended the save file to borbware (at) gmail, it's a gibberish named file located in appdata/roaming/com.nesbox.tic/TIC-80/.local

Anyway, great that you liked the demo! Thank you for playing! :]

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Hey i really enjoyed this game and i can't wait for the full version. It really reminds me of toki tori 2, and i love how the scanner mechanic is used for so many different things just in the demo. 

One thing I ran into is that in one of the rooms i pushed the snail creatures in the wrong way and blocked off a shortcut, then couldn't reset it.

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thanks for playing & feedback! I'm working on an updated demo where you can reset snails after a mishap :>

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I found the smiley face. Also, it’s 2021, the credits have lied to me and I will never recover. Also also, how am I supposed to 100% when I can’t continue after the credits?

Hehee, thanks for playing! A new demo with less lying (TM) is coming soon :D 

About 100%; the blue Salavia flowers save the game - you can load the game by pressing ESC and choosing Reset game.

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Took me a while to get into it, but it's good. Kinda like Toki Tori or even Outer Wilds, where you can interact with creatures in surprising ways and make progress that way. I'll be interested to see the finished game.

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Worthy successor to Waking Mars coming. Hot jams too.

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ngl this is the best tic-80 game i've played so far

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feeling honored, thanks! the full game will be even better...!

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im waiting lmao im in school rn when i post this reply

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love this game !! really hope you get around to finishing it :)

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Thanks, these messages mean a lot!! I've been busy at work for a few months but now I'm starting to have more time to work on EMUUROM again. A bit unsure if I get to finish it this year like I promised in the trailer but I aim for an early 2021 release, at least!

thats awesome, do you have a discord or something I'd love to talk to you about this game :)

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I do have, in fact! You're warmly welcome! https://discord.gg/W8MTQ3MdU8

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this game is so awesome!!!

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thanks!! ^^

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Thanks for the great game!

I must confess, that I lacked the patience to finish it, but enjoyed the original concept. 

I was confused at first, as the game gave me little to no instructions about its objects. But it unraveled itself nicely through the interactions with them. I liked how the very first room teaches you this basic lesson that sets the mood for the whole game. This world seemed so alien and strange at first, but as you learn how each creature behaves it reveals its hidden patterns and becomes 'readable'. Although some of the platformer challenges were too hard for my taste.

The scanning-collection mechanic on top of it adds a new dimension to the exploration. I liked how biological descriptions of creatures give hints to their mechanical behaviors.

Overall, the game left with a strange feeling of being in an alien, yet non-threatening world, that has its own strange, yet comprehensive laws. Great work!

Thanks for the, umm, thanks! And for feedback! Nice to hear that the 'alien-ness' of the world is coming through, and that the scan entries are working as intended! ^^

As for the platforming challenges - I aim to make some of them less frustrating in the full version. Which room(s) in particular made you quit, if I may ask? :D

Demo area map with room numbers:

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Hey, you're welcome!

I would say that rooms 35 and 45 were quite challenging, but I've managed to overcome them. Jumping the caterpillar was especially frustrating since it required very precise timing and I'm just not good at this. I wouldn't say that any particular room has made me quit, but when I reached room 34 I felt a bit overwhelmed. It's just that rooms are so mechanically dense and full of challenges, and there's little to no breathing space between them. 

With that said, I can easily see a platformer puzzle person relishing your game precisely for the things that I found somewhat frustrating about it. Namely, densely interconnected puzzles and hardcore platformer challenges. I'm just happened to be not that kind of person :)

P.S.: oh, and thanks for the map! It made me realized I've missed some of the secret passages.

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Thanks for the insights!

The tricky caterpillar jump is something I could try adjusting by just making its collision box a bit wider. I do want the game to have hardcore platformer challenges as well, but in the demo area I would like every player to at least reach the scanner first...!

Designing this kind of a game is like walking a tightrope in a cramped room lol. I'd like to add as much breathing space to the rooms as possible but, like, w h e r e. The interconnectedness of adjacent rooms gives me, as a designer, very little breathing space, so unfortunately that is reflected on the player on many occasions. What a problem have I generated for myself!

Anyway, the design of room 34 is something that i'm not perfectly happy with yet. It should be the last exercise before the end of the tutorial area, but maybe there's just too much to take in at once.

I made a small change to the room recently (not sure if additions are really helping lol): Otukka the caterpillar is there! Hopefully its presence gives the player a subconscious idea where they should be heading.


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Being a game designer myself, I feel what you going through. Designing puzzles is a tough challenge, but adjusting them to player's expectations and skills afterward is even harder. Especially when you have such an intricately interconnected system as your game world. But that's that major source of fun in our craft, isn't it? ;)

I think caterpillar actually works well at signposting the exit! And increasing its collision box might work well too.

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This is an sneakily amazing and charming metroidvania.

Makes you learn and earn movement and keep coming back and looking for new secrets. 

The creature and area names really give it depth and make you want to keep exploring and there are several areas seemingly just out of reach, but then you find a way.

I could only get to 97% or so and will likely keep playing to explore since it really has a feel of a different world.

Can't wait for more additions and a formal release.

Also great example of what is possible with tic-80 in the landscape of Fantasy Consoles.

Thanks for your kind words, and congrats for almost completing the demo!! (Though there are some off-bounds secrets as well to be found....)

Also, great to hear that the creature and area names are resonating, I know my silly eastern finnish words aren't that easy for the english-speaking world to remember, let alone pronounce... :D 

Is it possible to use it on android and if you can how?

Because TIC-80 can't export Android builds atm, it's a bit tricky, but possible! Note however that because the game is not optimized for Android, FPS drops are common (especially when scanning).

If you want to try it out anyway, here's the instructions!

1. Buy the PRO version of TIC-80 (it's $5). Download and install the apk for your Android device (you have to allow installing from unknown sources in settings).

2. Download the .lua version of EMUUROM demo and move the file to TIC-80's data folder. For me it was located in /sdcard/Android/data/com.nesbox.tic/files/TIC-80/

3. Open TIC-80, and type in the following commands:

load emuurom-0.1.i.lua

run

And you're good to go! Bluetooth controllers can be used to play the game, but onscreen controls are also available.

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Ok thanks

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This is really really good, excited for the full game

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thank you! these comments fill me with determination. :)

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This is awesome, I need to play the full version. Hope it's released soon!

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thanks! i'm aiming for 2020 release - there's still quite a lot work left, but i believe i can make it!

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Great news, I'll be surviving the pandemic for it.

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Incredible work! I'm always so appreciative of non-violent games in genres that normally have some sort of death. This was really cool too, learning about animals. It was a little difficult to understand at first, but experimentation was necessary to grasp what I had to do. The progression was just so good. The only disappointment is that it's not finished. :OP


I've had this game on my to-play list for awhile, but I'm glad it was included in The Bundle so I could prioritize it. Thank you.

Thanks, and congrats for 100%-ing the demo! If you want to take a look behind the curtains, there's some out-of-bounds content left to be found...!

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